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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 08:50:00 -
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I'm as disgusted by this post by Kieron as any of you, and actually for the same reason as many of you.
I'd like to see CCP give us the infomration they can find out about any and all accusations against us and them item by item.
Quite dissapoitning to see Kieron unable to communicate clearly again.
As for the witchhunt, well, i've made my pov known.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alakazam
- How many devs were in BoB?
Who knows, it doesn't matter much. I believe it was like 3 or 5 or something that were named.
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- Did BoB know they were devs?
Not relevant. A good ethical player that finds out about the player identity of a dev shuts the **** up and lets the dev get one with his gameplay. Yes it creates an awkward situation because you don't want a dev to be put in a position where his interests collide. It's when the retards get hold of dev identities and use it to further their omgh4x crusades that things start stinking and characters get deleted. Serves noone.
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- Why did they chose BoB, why not any other alliance?
Silly question, we are the most advanced of the bunch. If they want to see what the BoB formula is that gets half the game in seizures for all kinds of reasons then you go and check it out. On the other hand, who says this was the only alliance ?
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To me it seems like there were more devs in BoB than in any other alliance? Is this a wrong assumption?
Yes. CCP has over 200 employees now, 5 wre in BoB and 195 are still in d2. Noone knows, people just yell stupid stuff because they feel something unfair must be happening if they're not winning.
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- Did BoB gain anything from this except good friends?
No, and I doubt the friendships extend to improper use of authority if that's what epople would read into that.
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- Does BoB understand that their sarcasm works against them when they state that they do have buttons for node crashing, cheating and have devs in their alliance?
I doubt we care. People that cannot see the obvious sarcasm in those statements are rather dimwitted. If they believe them and as a consequence stop playing eve then you won;t see us cry about it.
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Everything would've been so much easier if devs was not allowed to play against paying customers.
You can't play Eve with someone yet notagainst someone else. Yes it would be easier, it would mimo also be disastrous and rather unfair on the devs who you have to thank for being here in the first place. Easy is not always good, in this case, being smart and not signing into witchhunts is good, and smart as well since it saves you from killing your own braincells in frustration.
Eve sees alot of devsploitha4xfavouritsm idiocy yes. That's what comes with a competitive ffa pvp game with serious loss built in and one big server with umpteen thousand players. That's because people get emotional about their gameplay, and because some of them aren't able to keep that in check. It's quite normal for games like this to see this, and it's equally normal for there being no truth to any of it bar some very rare cases mostly involving gm's or voluneers, but hardly ever developers.
And yes I'm in BoB. But this post would have looked exactly the same if I'd been in D2 or whatever.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 10:18:15
Are you for real Luticus ?
He broke the law and caused indirect financial damage to CCP by doing it. He should be glad he has no legal action taken by CCP.
How can you even defend such an idiot ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 10:32:25
Originally by: Luna Liandri
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 10:18:15
Are you for real Luticus ?
He broke the law and caused indirect financial damage to CCP by doing it. He should be glad he has no legal action taken by CCP.
How can you even defend such an idiot ?
always the same game - shoot the messenger, sidestep the topic ...
boring, and i may add i've seen better quality posts from RB.
Logic, sidestep ?
I didn't see any logic that I havent adressed earlier already.
Normal healthy and respectfull players stfu when they connect a dev with a player account. The CCP rule on recycling those character when thay are made public isn't there to protect you, but to protect them from being harrased by people with questions, statements and utterly idiotic accusations.
What protects you is the auditing and the ethos of CCP employees, and that's quite enough.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 10:46:25
Originally by: Dragutinovic
Then some of you lot should get a ban as well tbh .
You gotta agree with me that some of you get away on teh forums andingame with a lot more then others .
If we do it's because we mostly excalate in reaction to trolling. It's also a fact that most BoB active posters are good at treading the line.
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Rockduiveltje incident : -> No actions taken
****uko -Yaeko (sp) incident : -> No actions taken
Goonswarm incident : -> No actions taken
Please explain these. I know that rockduiveltje was more or less insulted quite heavily back then. Not that she was any better as far as I remember, but I forget what exactly happened there.
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You lot demanded the " ebayers " and " macroers "of PA to get slapped and kicked , yet some of you are guilty to that as well .
We are ? And we did ?
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i do demand some of BoB due get their asses kicked .
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Makes you wonder if its worth keep fighting teh good fight in this game as so to speak .
The good fight ?
Beam, eye, pot, kettle, black, whatever ?
During the PA war things got out of hand as well o teh smack/propaganda front. They always do. I personally find that a bit sad, but it's mostly due to the same thigns that make this game great so you take it in your stride.
Things become rather different once immediate wars are over tho. What i cannot understand and never have udnerstood is that alot of people don't seem able to let the tension level lower again after a war has been decided ingame, and continue to not just smack and spread lies, but also seem to actually believe wha they say.
If anything, it's fanboyism that's killing Eve.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 11:01:57
Even treatment is fine with me, but I do wonder wether people don't sit too close to their monitors to even discern what is true and what is reasonable these days.
A great pity imo.
edit: see example above.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:47:00 -
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Confirming what ?
He said that the fact one guy had ten bpo's isn't that strange at all.
The real question is wether he spawned them or bought/won them. That's what he meant. The number of them indicates nothing in itself.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Shin Ra.
I'd look at this (bpo) issue from the following viewpoint:
Would things have been any different if the character in question had been a regular normal non-dev guy ?
Answer in this case: most likely not, it's fairly customary within certain BoB corps that t2 bpo's end up corp property, especially when people quit or take breaks.
So, assuming ths guy in question would have been any regular trusted longtime member, things would have ended up the same, hence I see no issue.
People that distuinguish dev-owned player chars from paying cutomer chars and assert that only the latter should be allowed to own tech2 bpo's need to scratch themselves behind their ears and wonder if that would then need to go for being allowed to run 10/10 complexes, own outposts, motherships or titans, be ceo or director or whatever else we have in Eve that is available in limited quantity and thus can only exist in so and so large numbers.
Honestly, that's going way too far, and as Kieron stated CCP are not about to stop their devs from playing or limiting what they can do. So ...
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:10:00 -
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"others", if it happened at all btw, consists of maybe 3 people in this case. I don't think it happened at all tbh, but even if, that's the extent of it right there.
If RKK keeping that info to themselves shows anything, it is that they, as opposed to alot of people, can actually be considerate and ethical enough to stfu about it. Why, what a surprise, thought they were all cheating lying lowlifes...
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 14:10:18
Shin Ra, RKK are alot like Evol, they're maybe not as extreme as we are with our 100% corptax, but they're definately in the "filthy commie" category. So my guess would be that your question would be answered affirmatively.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 14:40:57
Goons, I know you probably dont care, but the bit you keep quoting contains personal information about a ccp employee. You know, the stuff that you aren't allowed to post according to the eula.
I don't doubt CCP are going to run out of patience on that at some point. Names don't matter, and besides that name it doesn't prove a thing does it ?
The points about char resale and eula abuse are conjecture. I happen to know that the ones mentioned aren't true. You think they are, CCP thinks theyT not.
quit or stfu ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
The press release says nothing at all.
No content, nothing. Just marketing words for 'we banned him, we think wat he did was bad, we like to make money, we are giving you no answer'
Im pretty disappointed.
This statement will not put the issue behind us because its a cop out. Basically he was banned and thats it, no word on anything else that happened.
As someone who works in marketing
tut tut CCP.
No ban, his chars got deleted because people discovered his ccp identity, not because he actually did something wrong.
It's the usual policy, and there's mroe devs affected then those in bob too afaik.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
The exployees shoudl of been fired, whats to stop this from happening again.
Why, they did nothign wrong ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Can someone explain to me what on earth makes people think that "Dont tell wont ask" is a good idea re Devs in alliances.
Being sneaky doesnt solve conflict of intrest. It merely hides it.
Either NO devs in alliances (my personal prefered options), or it should be made public knowledge WHO those devs are.
Or should we just have this same drama over and over again everytime an "anthonyz/kugutsu/wtf hes called today" turns up and blows the lid off it all?
CCP play Eve, they will continue doing that no matter what you think. I think most of us agree that that's a good thing. Kieron also stated tha they will NOT limit them in freedom within the gameplay. Both dev aaccoutns as well as private accounts seem to be audited, so that gives some reassurance that everythign will be ok.
That mean these options remain:
public chars
sekrit chars
Option one isn't chosen because in effect it would do NOTHING to alleviate tinfoilhattery.
Option two *is* chosen to protect said devs from *you* and not vice versa.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid
Originally by: Dianabolic
Edited by: Dianabolic on 07/02/2007 15:20:50
We don't play with Devs. We play with characters, normal eve pilots - if one of those pilots turns out to be a dev, I really don't care, because they never got treated any different by me, or anyone else.
This is not about how you treat Devs.I don't know why your defending CCP seeing as they just allowed your Alliance to be perceived as a bunch of cheaters when they could have exonerated you and put this whole Pantomime to rest once and for all.All CCP have done is pour more blood in the water for the conspiracy theorists.
we're used to that, it's only going to get worse rather then better too as the fanboys seem to somehow continue to play for years even tho they're so desillusioned and all.
It would have been nice if kieron had posted with a bit mroe detail, and a bit more forcefull in exonerating the employees and players involved. But all in all we probably don't see this as much different from past and future tinfoilhattery.
Not saying we don't care, just saying we see it as a given that people will try score cheap points every time.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 16:22:50
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Rod Blaine
CCP play Eve, they will continue doing that no matter what you think. I think most of us agree that that's a good thing. Kieron also stated tha they will NOT limit them in freedom within the gameplay. Both dev aaccoutns as well as private accounts seem to be audited, so that gives some reassurance that everythign will be ok.
That mean these options remain:
public chars
sekrit chars
Option one isn't chosen because in effect it would do NOTHING to alleviate tinfoilhattery.
Option two *is* chosen to protect said devs from *you* and not vice versa.
And you wonder why the community are convinced that there is misconduct here: BoB posters such as yourself are falling all over themselves desperately defending the rights of Devs to be in BoB.
If you are innocent, simply separate yourself from CCP and play the game like everyone else, neh?
Failing that, anything you do, ever, will be written off as Dev-backed cheating. BoB cheers on devs, devs cheer on BoB, community says 'screw this' and takes the news of the incestuous relationship to the gaming press.
The only sensible solution to any of this nonsense that will actually remove the stink of impropriety from the game is for CCP to ban devs on Tranquility, or at the very least remove them from any 0.0 alliances.
I dont care if there's no devs in BoB, I care wether they play their game. Imo they should, more people still think they should, CCP themselves are convinced they should according to Kieron.
We can debate the use of live playing by devs all night, but it's not goign to change the fact that they will play on tq, and be in your, mine, and anyone else alliance when doing it.
So, that comes down to CCP caring less about the 'stink of impropriety' as you call it, and their conviction that they need to be playing on tq. I fully agree with them there, because that stink is always goign to be there anyway, the tinfoil is strong.
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